Ask your state legislators to support House Bill 4458 for clean air and water

[Tony1941]

If you want to talk state politics and prop up candidates of your choosing, please start another thread.

Your original post left me with the impression that you were asking people to contact their state legislators to vote for special interest legislation.
Ergo: I answered your many false statements on the thread that you started.

[Tony1941]

.... Oh, and despite the fact that there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic, autism rates are rising solely because of increased awareness and detection. <snort>

Old people were born with strong DNA that had not been diluted by the constant whining of X? generation.

The pandemic of autism spectrum impacts 1 out 162 children (It only occurs in the US. Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Europeans,Latin Americans, Africans are not impacted by the autism epidemic.) Maybe the problem is that American women watch too much CNN.

[Amber]

Old people were born with strong DNA that had not been diluted by the constant whining of X? generation.

The pandemic of autism spectrum impacts 1 out 162 children (It only occurs in the US. Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Europeans,Latin Americans, Africans are not impacted by the autism epidemic.) Maybe the problem is that American women watch too much CNN.

Old people were smoking through entire pregnancies, drinking, eating and living off of land downwind of Superfund sites in places like Ritzville, WA., causing epigenetic damage to future offspring 2 and 3 generations removed. They are just beginning to study many areas, including epigenetics and increased susceptibility to environmental triggers. No lack of triggers out there in Westernized cultures, that's for sure (asphalt plant?).

No surprise that once again, you don't know what the hell you're talking about regarding prevalence.

Autism is 1 in 150, and more like 1 in 90 if you only count boys, with a much higher incidence in places like Brick Township, NJ (Bertrand J, Mars A, Boyle C, Bove F, Yeargin-Allsopp M, Decoufle P.; Pediatrics 2001 Nov;108(5):1155-61).

http://taap.info/incidence_and_cost_of_autism.htm

And because ALL countries need 8 schools for something they are not impacted by: http://www.autismsouthafrica.org. Yes, it might be to a lesser extent there, but again - you're talking about a country with less of those craptastic Monsanto crops, toxins, pesticides and pollutants...once they come here, their rates skyrocket. The West is SO civilized.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/11/out-of-africa-a.html

I don't watch CNN or Fox. I prefer neutral, unbiased news sources. I don't blindly rely on Wikipedia either.

[Tony1941]

No lack of triggers out there in Westernized cultures, that's for sure (asphalt plant?).

Asphalt plant?? I did not know that you had been involved in trying go stop the NM asphalt plant on Rt. 40.
Is this another case were you talk the talk but DO NOT walk the talk.

No surprise that once again, you don't know what the hell you're talking about regarding prevalence.
Autism is 1 in 150, and more like 1 in 90 if you only count boys, with a much higher incidence in places like Brick Township, NJ (Bertrand J, Mars A, Boyle C, Bove F, Yeargin-Allsopp M, Decoufle P.; Pediatrics 2001 Nov;108(5):1155-61).

150 or 90 or 1., you most probably believe the Lipitor ads with Dr. Jarvik as the spokesman. If we cannot prove global warming then change it to climate change,
If we cannot impress the government to dump a gazillion of dollars for autism research, then change the name to autism spectrum disorder in order to increase the numbers and scare the population into supporting more funds for research. The DoD developed the beware of the evil boogie strategy in order to have more money allocated to fund military expenditures.

Yes, it might be to a lesser extent there, but again - you're talking about a country with less of those craptastic Monsanto crops, toxins, pesticides and pollutants...once they come here, their rates skyrocket. The West is SO civilized.

Please check UN data on the use of modern farming methods in third world countries and the resultant increase in food production.

I don't watch CNN or Fox. I prefer neutral, unbiased news sources. I don't blindly rely on Wikipedia either.

The mark of an educated person is to be able to observe and critically analyze information being presented, regardless of the bias of the source, in order to develop knowledge on a topic. I guess that you depend on NPR, PBS, LCV or LWV for your information. Well GIGO to you.

Big Pharma and their lackeys (aka Dr.) are well aware of the buttons to push to have mothers and fathers jump screaming for the government to get involved.

Ask yourself, why no nation outside of the US has an ever increasing autism, sleep apnea, .., population. Your postulated 3 generation DNA mutation based on the toxic waste dumps should have resulted in a population that is resistant to external chemical pollution. *Survival of the species that can tolerate pollution.

[Amber]

Asphalt plant?? I did not know that you had been involved in trying go stop the NM asphalt plant on Rt. 40.
Is this another case were you talk the talk but DO NOT walk the talk.

Once again, your point is...? You talk in circles. You have some kind of mealy-mouthed objection to something I've said, then come out and make it.

150 or 90 or 1., you most probably believe the Lipitor ads with Dr. Jarvik as the spokesman. If we cannot prove global warming then change it to climate change,
If we cannot impress the government to dump a gazillion of dollars for autism research, then change the name to autism spectrum disorder in order to increase the numbers and scare the population into supporting more funds for research. The DoD developed the beware of the evil boogie strategy in order to have more money allocated to fund military expenditures.

Sorry, I don't watch TV. Right, though, my kid doesn't have autism. He's just got bad behavior and is part of the over-diagnosed masses. If you believe that, you're a fool and I invite you to babysit him for a day and then come and tell me how it's a scare tactic solely attributed to expanded diagnostic criteria and there is nothing really going on with him developmentally. Otherwise, you can go pound sand.

Please check UN data on the use of modern farming methods in third world countries and the resultant increase in food production.

Right. UN data. Kind of like asking Monsanto's opinion on the safety of GMOs, or trusting the Chinese government to make sure baby formula is melamine-free and safe. Codex Alimentarius. Look it up.

Big Pharma and their lackeys (aka Dr.) are well aware of the buttons to push to have mothers and fathers jump screaming for the government to get involved.

I'm not screaming for the government to get involved. Republicans and Democrats like Big Government, they just have different pet causes. I'm neither.

Ask yourself, why no nation outside of the US has an ever increasing autism, sleep apnea, .., population. Your postulated 3 generation DNA mutation based on the toxic waste dumps should have resulted in a population that is resistant to external chemical pollution. *Survival of the species that can tolerate pollution.

I already posted data on the rising - and existing - autism population where you said none exist. How about instead of throwing questions and allusions out there you find some of your own answers for once?

Just be sure you check out Snopes.com the next time you try to claim personal knowledge of some Indian fairy tale that had already been disproven by FACTS and RESEARCH.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0401145312.htm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/genes/issa.html
http://bioethicsbytes.wordpress.com/...in-your-genes/
http://www.autismone.org/content/can...autisms-causes

[Tony1941]

Just be sure you check out Snopes.com the next time you try to claim personal knowledge of some Indian fairy tale that had already been disproven by FACTS and RESEARCH.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0401145312.htm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/genes/issa.html
http://bioethicsbytes.wordpress.com/...in-your-genes/
http://www.autismone.org/content/can...autisms-causes

Thank you for providing your sources of information. Forget about the UN or WHO but trust the OPINION of opinionated individuals such as pbs, autismone, sciencedaily, etc....
Do you really rely on SNOPES to do your thinking? I am truly amazed.

[Amber]

Thank you for providing your sources of information. Forget about the UN or WHO but trust the OPINION of opinionated individuals such as pbs, autismone, sciencedaily, etc....
Do you really rely on SNOPES to do your thinking? I am truly amazed.

No, PBS, AutismOne and SD report on published scientific studies (among other things). I only rely on Snopes to research Urban Legends, which is their forte. You're just bitter you got caught with your pants down on that whole post/recycled e-mail about a Native American story that never really happened. Male IQ prevents one from admitting being wrong or even just apologizing for making **** up?

The actual studies on epigenetics and autism can be found in reputable peer-reviewed medical journals online. I just linked to the ones that don't present to the average person as watching paint dry, but the studies ARE there. Look it up.

Let me know when you'd like to babysit. I can't wait to set up the webcam.

[deanwo]

BTW Are the Republicans, Tea Party, etc planning to challenge Mr. Arciero and Mr. Panagiotakos jn November?
The blow hard that the Republicans ran against Eagle Scout Arciero was very entertaining but somewhat devoid of ideas and beliefs.

I guess you misunderstood my last post. Senator Steven C. Panagiotakos and Representative James Arciero appear to be your buddies, so if you want to debate the merits of their effectiveness as our representatives, start another post.

With regard to this thread, the real issue about the bill is to limit the production capability of biomass generated electricity and not give these biomass energy plants tax credits for being green. Your notion of carbon neutral for biomass energy generation is 30 years out of date along with the current legislation. These biomass energy plants, which generate more pollution than coal burning power plants, are still labeled as "green" allowing them to claim tax credits which you & I, as tax payers, are supporting. To be considered green, this bill limits the amount of CO2 created per megawatt produced. Currently about 50% of clean energy tax credit for the Commonwealth of MA is going to incinerators labeled as "green" clean energy biomass generation plants and this legislation would eliminate these handouts and direct them to more legitimate green energy generation sources.

With the stimulus package, new biomass energy plant construction in Greenfield, Pittsfield and 3 other MA communities is accelerating as the builders and state legislative supporters go running to Obama's Stimulus Trough. Already, $30M Obama Stimulus Funds (read your taxes) was given to a biomass energy plant in Washington State and another $30M was given to one in Pennsylvania as these where "shovel ready" and labeled as "green energy". I don't know what the 5 biomass plants under construction in MA are asking for, but I'm sure some of our state reps are running with their hands out looking for more stimulus money to bring in and support the construction of these plants.

So for someone who is constantly complaining about the wasteful spending of our taxes and how the "pond scum" needs to be thrown out of office, I just don't understand how you can be so adamantly against MA House Bill 4458.

To learn more about the grass roots group (i.e. special translation for Tony "special interest group") who are pushing this legislation go to http://www.stopspewingcarbon.com/. And to learn about the people Tony wants to throw out of office go to http://www.pondscum.com.

UPDATED: I was pleasantly surprised this evening when I opened a letter from State Representative Arciero writing me to acknowledge his support for MA House Bill 4458. Jim's letter to the Joint Committee on Telecommunications, Utilities and Energy is attached to this post. Thank you, Jim.

[Tony1941]

I guess you misunderstood my last post. Senator Steven C. Panagiotakos and Representative James Arciero appear to be your buddies, so if you want to debate the merits of their effectiveness as our representatives, start another post.

Who in the hell appointed you Forum Master? This not Tony J's sandbox. Free speech, etc,...

With regard to this thread, the real issue about the bill is to limit the production capability of biomass generated electricity and not give these biomass energy plants tax credits for being green. Your notion of carbon neutral for biomass energy generation is 30 years out of date along with the current legislation.

I can smell political BS a mile away. If the proponents of this bill went to the trouble and expense to bring this bill forward as an initiative petition, Why are they switching horses in midstream?

Currently about 50% of clean energy tax credit for the Commonwealth of MA is going to incinerators labeled as "green" clean energy biomass generation plants and this legislation would eliminate these handouts and direct them to more legitimate green energy generation sources.

Like 100% of the clean energy funds are going to support Republican mental incompetents.

With the stimulus package, new biomass energy plant construction in Greenfield, Pittsfield and 3 other MA communities is accelerating as the So for someone who is constantly complaining about the wasteful spending of our taxes and how the "pond scum" needs to be thrown out of office, I just don't understand how you can be so adamantly against MA House Bill 4458.

You and your spouse have major intellectual problems ..."well the perchlorate problems could have been caused by the farmers in the 1860s mining granite and using dynamite." spoken by Valerie at the WC,FCom and BoS 3 Feb 2010 Mtg.
BTW Liquid nitroglycerin was widely banned elsewhere as well, and this finally led to Alfred Nobel & Company's development of dynamite in 1867, made by mixing the nitroglycerin with the diatomaceous earth (kieselguhr) found in the Krümmel hills.

POTUS Obama has greased the money chute. Why should Massachusetts stand on the sidelines. Biomass is a proven renewal energy source.
The oil companies would love to kill biomass plants.

Do you own any oil company stock in your extensive portfolio?

UPDATED: I was pleasantly surprised this evening when I opened a letter from State Representative Arciero writing me to acknowledge his support for MA House Bill 4458. Jim's letter to the Joint Committee on Telecommunications, Utilities and Energy is attached to this post. Thank you, Jim.

I will be talking to Jim and Steve and point out to them that you are a strong Republican but a cheap Republican since you did not contribute to McCain's campaign in 2008. Democratic officeholders do not respond to mealy mouth Republican voters. I suspect that the letter you received is what they call a phantom letter. Jim will vote against the bill or to save face, he will make sure that the bill never comes out committee.

In Beacon Hill and in Westford, show me the money is the name of the game.