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    Who owns America? Hint: It's not China
    The following piece comes from Global Post, which provides excellent coverage of world news - important, moving and odd.
    By Tom Mucha, Global Post

    Truth is elusive. But it's a good thing we have math.
    Our friends at Business Insider know this, and put those two principles to work today in this excellent and highly informative little slideshow, made even more timely by the ongoing talks in Washington, D.C. aimed at staving off a U.S. debt default.
    Here's the big idea:
    Many people — politicians and pundits alike — prattle on that China and, to a lesser extent Japan, own most of America's $14.3 trillion in government debt.
    But there's one little problem with that conventional wisdom: it's just not true. While the Chinese, Japanese and plenty of other foreigners own substantial amounts, it's really Americans who hold most of America's debt.
    Here's a quick and fascinating breakdown by total amount held and percentage of total U.S. debt, according to Business Insider:

    • Hong Kong: $121.9 billion (0.9 percent)
    • Caribbean banking centers: $148.3 (1 percent)
    • Taiwan: $153.4 billion (1.1 percent)
    • Brazil: $211.4 billion (1.5 percent)
    • Oil exporting countries: $229.8 billion (1.6 percent)
    • Mutual funds: $300.5 billion (2 percent)
    • Commercial banks: $301.8 billion (2.1 percent)
    • State, local and federal retirement funds: $320.9 billion (2.2 percent)
    • Money market mutual funds: $337.7 billion (2.4 percent)
    • United Kingdom: $346.5 billion (2.4 percent)
    • Private pension funds: $504.7 billion (3.5 percent)
    • State and local governments: $506.1 billion (3.5 percent)
    • Japan: $912.4 billion (6.4 percent)
    • U.S. households: $959.4 billion (6.6 percent)
    • China: $1.16 trillion (8 percent)
    • The U.S. Treasury: $1.63 trillion (11.3 percent)
    • Social Security trust fund: $2.67 trillion (19 percent)
    So America owes foreigners about $4.5 trillion in debt. But America owes America $9.8 trillion.

    Therefore, the real national debt is only $4.5 trillion since money owed to ourselves is not really money.

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    Yes, but you're supposed to pay yourself first!

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    But with that same logic, we should not count tax revenues as income, since that is just money that we pay ourselves, right? Following that logic, we're in even worse trouble, because we have $4.5 trillion in debt, but no income to cover the interest payments.

    Of course, the logic really doesn't work either way.

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